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Sunday, September 19, 2025

IMBB 8 – Part I: Two “Spirited” Chiffon Sisters

Random food ideas sometimes have a funny way of creeping – unannounced and most often uninvited – into my consciousness. And very often, once there, they refuse to leave until I get off my derriere and do something active about them – in the kitchen; creating whatever entity it is that has been preoccupying my mind. Occasionally, these ad hoc “inspirations” (if you can call them that) feel like insidious invasions; they can be triggered by the most innocent of stimuli, and yet, once happily ensconced within the recesses of my mind, they simply will not budge until I bring them to life in the physical dimension.

Take for instance my recent bout of “preoccupation” with chiffon cakes. It started with a grocery buying trip to Carrefour hypermarket. I happened to stroll past the rack displaying rows and rows of pandan chiffon cakes. The huge sign above them screamed their special offer price of only $2.99 (US$1.75) for one whole cake. Sub-consciously, I mused: why is it that chiffon cakes in this part of the world are almost invariably pandan-flavored? I mean, they are ubiquitous in all the supermarkets and bakeries. They all look the same, taste pretty much the same, and in all likelihood all come from the same one (or maybe two) factories. The most exciting that life gets for a chiffon cake here is perhaps to be flavored in chocolate rather than pandan!

And that was the simple trigger that set off a whole chain of baking activity. Once started, the thoughts on chiffon cakes could not be stemmed. Even as I continued to place items into my shopping cart, my mind stayed resolutely on chiffon cakes. I’ve never made a chiffon cake before. Would you believe? Decades ago, in the time before commercially available chiffon cakes, my mum used to bake them quite regularly – also in the pandan flavor. But it has been literally decades since I’ve last eaten a home-made chiffon cake (I mean, at only a few dollars for a whole cake in the shops, few can be bothered to heat up the oven and make one from scratch). I’ve even forgotten what a “true” chiffon cake tastes like – my only active memories are of not-terribly-exciting, hardly-very-tasty commercial ones. Hmmmm… maybe… maybe I should try my hand at making a chiffon cake. Maybe I can jazz it up a little, and give it a more exciting spin…

The thought would not go away. The only way to appease it and put it to rest was to get into the kitchen and make that chiffon cake.

So out came my mum’s treasured 30-year-old recipe notebook. As I flipped through the carefully handwritten pages, I came across several chiffon cake recipes. On the whole, there were little differences between them – some called for a couple more eggs, while others had slight variations to the method for mixing the batter. I kind of picked several ideas from here, a couple more from there, and settled on a recipe that I felt I wanted to try.

After the basic recipe had been decided upon, I became quite taken with the idea of using nuts or at least the flavor of nuts in the cake. I wondered why chiffon cakes were never (not that I’ve seen at least) made with nuts. I would have thought nuts would add a delicious fragrance to the cake. Yep. That was it. I was going to try to make an almond flavored chiffon cake. However, in order to keep the texture light, I didn’t want to add nuts (ground or otherwise) into the cake batter itself. Almond essence as flavoring didn’t seem ideal either ; I sometimes found it to be too obvious and jarring. Then it struck me: why not liven things up a bit at the same time, and push the envelope even further - I could use amaretto in the batter (and maybe only sprinkle almond slices on the top of the cake). Now, I had never seen a boozy chiffon cake before, so I wasn’t sure what effect, if any, the alcohol would have on the texture of the batter. But it sounded exciting enough to give it a shot.

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Before we get to the cake though, let’s talk about the chiffon cake pan (which, if I’m not wrong is identical to what is known as the angel food pan in the US).

This is a very deep (oh, maybe about 6 to 8 inches tall) cake pan, with a removable bottom that has a tall, hollow tube – or “chimney” as I called it when I was a little girl! – extending from the center.

Now, the traditionalists will tell you that chiffon cakes cannot be baked in anything other than a chiffon cake pan. I guess it’s similar to traditionalists in the West saying that angel food cakes can only be baked in an angel food pan. [Here’s a stray thought : the angel food cake and the chiffon cakes are close cousins, in my belief. But while the angel food cake is ubiquitous in the US, it’s rarely found or used here. And if I’m not wrong, the chiffon cake is not that common in the US. Or, perhaps more accurately, what is known as “chiffon cake” in the US and Europe seems, to me, to be quite different from what we know as “chiffon cake” here in Asia. I guess the “Asian chiffon cake”, if you will, is our version of the angel food cake – albeit with egg yolks and a touch of oil in it; whereas, the chiffon cake that is more common in the West seems to be an enriched sponge cake (maybe someone can confirm or correct me on this), which is almost always used in layer cakes and such like, and is hardly ever eaten on its own; unlike the Asian chiffon which is almost always eaten as is. Okay, sorry… miscreant, long-winded thoughts are now back under control… let’s move on.]

As for which cake pans to use or not use, my personal stand is that I think chiffon (and angel food cakes for that matter) can be baked in regular pans – only that the texture of the cake may be somewhat different, for the simple reason of the difference in heat distribution (and also the cooking time). My choice of pan will really depend on what I intend to do with the chiffon cake. If I am using the chiffon as a cake base for a filled or layered cake, or for a roulade, the regular cake pans are the natural choice. But if I want to eat the chiffon cake as is, and really want to savor that cloud-like fluffy lightness that is unique to the chiffon, I think it will have to be the chiffon cake pan.

Here’s an important tip for using the chiffon cake pan: do not line, grease or flour the pan – the cake batter should be poured into a completely dry pan. Why? Well, apparently, the chiffon cake has to be cooled in a very specific way as soon as it comes out of the oven. All my mum’s recipes have this instruction highlighted and marked for special attention. And in past conversations with aunts and friends of my mum’s, they have all mentioned this “required” cake-cooling quirk.

The cake pan, fresh out of the oven, has to be immediately inverted over a bottle, and left there, sitting upside-down, until the cake has completely cooled. My mum even jotted in the margin of one of her recipes : ideally, there should be about 4-5 inches of space between the cake pan and the counter top, to allow for maximum circulation of air!

Cooling the cake in this manner prevents the cake from sinking back onto itself as it sits in the pan. “Hanging” it upside-down ensures a truly fluffy, melt-in-the-mouth, tender crumb.

And if a totally ungreased, unfloured and unlined pan is used, the cake will stay in the pan until it has cooled completely, and will not decide to make a premature exit and do a belly flop onto the table!

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For the amaretto chiffon, I simply tweaked the basic recipe (which follows at the end of the post) a little:

• Half the amount of water was replaced with an equal volume of amaretto (almond flavored liqueur).

• Instead of using cooking oil, I decided to use melted reduced fat margarine instead.

• The sugar was reduced from the stipulated 8oz (225g or 1c) in the recipe to 5oz. [For some reason, on the spur of the moment, I – uncharacteristically – decided to drastically cut the amount of sugar. While I’m not one for throat-scratchingly sweet cakes and desserts, I’m also not one to hastily cut the sugar quantities in recipes; I do believe a degree of sweetness is required for cakes and desserts to be palatable. Anyway, to cut a long story short, on impulse, I decided 1 cup of sugar was a little excessive and cut it to just 5/8 cup. This was a mistake, as you will see later.]

• Finally, about 30g of sliced blanched almonds were sprinkled over the batter just before it went into the oven.

The results pleased me in many ways, but were also a little disappointing in a couple of respects.

What I found quite stunning was the wonderfully fine-crumbed texture of the cake…

It was pillowy soft ; fluffy with an almost melt-in-the-mouth feel to it. The weave of the crumb was delicate and finely meshed, with no major holes. Really quite gorgeous. I had forgotten what a “real” chiffon cake felt like on the palate; so used was I to the somewhat coarser and drier textures of the store-bought versions.

While the texture was absolutely pleasurable, there were, however, a couple of let-downs in the taste department.

It was a major mistake to have cut the sugar at all, let alone by so much. The cake had almost no sweetness to it, and as such left a rather nasty, almost metallic-like bland after-taste in the mouth, which lingered long after the cake had been eaten and digested. Not pleasant at all. Everyone complained about the lack of sweetness and that awful aftertaste. Lesson learnt – do not willfully wield the knife, so to speak, where sugar amounts are concerned. As my mum is forever telling me: it’s a cake; it’s meant to have some degree of sweetness to it. Well, consider me sufficiently chastised.

I ended up plonking the cake into the fridge, knowing that, if eaten chilled, what little sweetness that was there would be somewhat highlighted and enhanced. So we ended up eating the cake like bread really – spread with some fruit preserves, or for me, with some Nutella.

What thrilled me though was how well the texture held up even after the cake had been chilled. I ate many pieces (often several pieces at one go) straight out of the fridge (I didn’t even bother to pop them into the toaster), and the texture, even when cold, was still dreamily soft, tender and fluffy. Amazing!

The other let-down in taste was the amaretto. It was too subtle; barely discernible after the baking. Although the flavors were slightly intensified with refrigeration, the liqueur was still too much of an indistinct background note, as opposed to being the central flavor anchor, as I had originally intended. I should have replaced all the liquids with amaretto instead.

I had also forgotten to add the vanilla (I only realized the omission just as I was putting the cake into the oven). I think the vanilla, had I remembered to include it, would have helped pull the almond flavors and the sweetness together a little better.

So, overall, the cake was a little hit-and-miss: stupendously good in some ways, and quite a dismal let-down in others.

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Now, coincidentally enough, on the very day I made this amaretto chiffon cake - some two weeks ago - I found out that the theme for this month’s IMBB was food with wine or spirits in them. How uncanny, I thought. And what a perfect excuse to make another liqueur-infused chiffon cake, and to further fine-tune my chiffon recipe.

So, a few days later, in spite of protestations from the family, wary as they were of another bland chiffon outing, I was back in the kitchen, baking my second chiffon cake.

I’m not one for repetition and monotony in the kitchen; nothing bores me more than having to make the exact same recipe again, especially so soon after the last time I made it. I can never resist the urge to tweak, to play with the flavors, to experiment and to just have some fun with the food.

I just couldn’t bring myself to make another amaretto chiffon cake. A quick rummage through the liqueur cabinet revealed a forgotten and neglected half bottle of kahlua. Who knows how long it had been sitting there, abandoned after some dinner party, no longer desired or wanted. And that brought on the proverbial “light bulb blinking furiously” moment. A kahlua chiffon cake! Now, wouldn’t that be something?

Still using the same basic recipe but with the following adjustments:

• The full volume of liquids in the recipe was replaced with kahlua. I also dissolved about 2 teaspoons of instant coffee powder into the liqueur, just to intensify the coffee flavors a little more.

• I remembered to add the vanilla!

• Just out of curiosity, this time I used cooking oil, as per my mum’s original recipe, instead of melted margarine/butter – I wanted to see if this would affect the cake in any way.

• The sugar levels were restored to 1 cup or 225g.

• I decided to fold in some finely grated unsweetened 75% dark chocolate, with two purposes in mind : to help bring out, lift and round out the coffee flavors even more, and also to create a nice speckled effect in the cake.

• Oh, and one more thing. I was slightly unhappy with the few cracks that had surfaced in the amaretto cake (see top picture). They were nothing major, but I was feeling finicky. So, I thought I would try the good old “towel trick” on the chiffon cake. Would it work as well with a tube pan as it did with loaf pans?

Everything went well – up until it came time to cool the cake. As I turned the cake pan onto the bottle, I suddenly felt a lot less secure and confident than I had done with the amaretto cake. I thought to myself silently: please don’t fall out. And barely had the thought crossed my mind, the cake did the unthinkable… it made a majestic flop, out of the cake pan, onto the counter top! My jaw followed suit just as quickly.

Picking my chin off the counter and remembering to breathe again, I hastily attempted to turn the still steaming hot cake onto a wire rack, all the time muttering in exasperation to the cake: “you really didn’t have to listen to me and do exactly as I said this time, you know - I would have been quite happy for you to disobey just this once”. Fortunately for me, it seemed that I was the only one who suffered a horrific sinking feeling ; whilst my heart sank to the pit of my stomach, the cake, on the other hand, remained proudly tall and firm. Thank goodness!

The only tell-tale sign of its quick escape from the confines of the cake pan was the two deep imprints left by the spatulas I used to lift the finger-burningly hot cake off the counter top and onto the wire rack. Well, at least there were no cracks in the surface of the cake. That was what I wanted, wasn’t it? Ah! The joy in seeking the little blessings in life!

This kahlua chiffon was an improvement on the amaretto in several ways, but lost out a touch to the latter in other ways.

I really liked the crust on this one – gorgeously golden brown with just the right amount of thickness and crustiness to it; I had found the amaretto crust a little “under-developed”.

The flavors were also wonderfully well-developed; highly redolent of the kahlua, which was nicely rounded out by the chocolate. The aromas were quite hypnotizing. Even as the cake was baking, it smelt like I had freshly brewed coffee in the oven!

And this time, the sweetness was just right.

The speckled effect created by the chocolate was as pretty as I had imagined it would be – especially against the soothing café latte colored backdrop of the cake. (I of course had to choose one of the least speckled piece of cake to take a shot of!)

There were two things I was less enthusiastic about. First, the texture of the cake. Don’t get me wrong – the cake still had a wonderfully refined crumb, with a soft, fluffy bite. But I just couldn’t help noticing that the texture was just a touch rougher than the exquisitely smooth amaretto cake. The rest of the family didn’t notice it, but it seemed distinctly different to me. Perhaps you can see it too – comparing the above picture with the ones of the amaretto chiffon. And I think this variation was due entirely to the use of cooking oil rather than melted butter (or even melted low fat margarine).

I was truly surprised at the distinct difference such a small change in the recipe would bring to the texture. Who would have thought. A quick check with one of my baking cookbooks confirmed that the choice of fat (between oil and melted butter) did indeed impact the resultant texture. This made me wonder why all the chiffon cake recipes that I have ever seen called for cooking oil to be used. Perhaps it just seemed a lot more convenient to measure out 2 tablespoons of oil rather than to have to melt and cool the butter.

Whether this difference in texture applies to all sorts of cakes, or just to chiffon cakes I do not know.

Finally, the second revelation I got from this cake was that the “towel trick” was a definite no-no where chiffon cakes were concerned. Not only did it prevent the cake from obediently staying in the pan until it was cooled, but it also produced a very nasty tacky, pappy feel to the outer rim of the cake – the side of the cake that was in contact with the towel-wrapped side of the cake pan. It was quite awful, and we had to trim off all the sides to make the cake feel good both in the hand and mouth.

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So, two “spirited” chiffon cakes later, I have had mixed results – I adored the texture of the amaretto one, but loved the flavors of the kahlua sister. Hopefully, it’ll be third time lucky for me, where chiffon cakes are concerned at least… maybe, just maybe, by then, I’ll have an all-round winner on my hands.

And now, finally, we’ve come to the recipe. Thank you for your patience in staying with me and reading this far! icon_wink.gif

Without much further ado, here it is…


Basic Chiffon Cake

6 oz (170g or a scant 1½ cups) Softasilk cake flour *
1½ teaspoons baking powder
6 large egg yolks
8 oz (225g or 1 cup) caster sugar – divided
4 oz (120ml or ½ cup) water **
2 tablespoons (30g) butter – melted and cooled ***
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
6 large egg whites
½ teaspoon cream of tartar

* I used Top Flour (a superfine cake flour) instead, as that was what I had on hand, and it worked fine.

** Can be replaced with equal volume of liqueur or other forms of flavored liquids.

*** Reduced fat margarine also works well.

• Preheat oven to 175C.

• Combine the flour and baking powder. Sift three times. (I know, that is a heck of a lot of sifting; but the reward is really in the final texture of the cake – never mind what other cookbooks may say. Okay, if truly feeling lazy, you can get away with sifting twice.)

• With an electric mixer, beat together, at low speed, the egg yolks and half (it doesn’t have to be exact – an approximation will do) the sugar, until light and creamy (approximately 5 minutes or so).

• On low speed, mix in half the sifted flour.

• Add the liquids – the water/liqueur and the melted butter – and beat to combine.

• Add the rest of the flour, and mix in on low speed. The batter will be rather thick; almost like a stretchy, sticky dough. Set aside.

• Whisk the egg whites and the cream of tartar on medium-high speed until foamy. Slowly dribble in the reserved half cup of sugar and continue to whisk until the whites form glossy, firm but non-dry peaks.

• Fold the egg whites into the yolk batter. (It’s okay if you have to beat the first couple of batches of the meringue into the batter fairly vigorously – no harm will be done. Just be sure to gently fold in the rest, once the batter has lightened sufficiently.)

• Pour batter into an ungreased, unfloured and unlined chiffon cake pan. Smartly but gently tap the cake pan on the surface of the table, to release any trapped air bubbles.

• Bake in 175C oven for 40-45 minutes. Do not open the oven door during the cooking time (at least until the last few minutes or so). Immediately invert the cake pan over a bottle, and leave to cool completely before unmoulding.


Variations
Amaretto Chiffon – Replace water with equal volume of amaretto (almond-flavored liqueur). Sprinkle about 30g of sliced almonds on the surface of the batter before putting the cake into the oven.

Kahlua Chiffon – Replace water with equal volume of Kahlua (or Tia Maria – or any other coffee-flavored liqueur), and dissolve 2 teaspoons of dry instant coffee powder into the liqueur. Finely grate about 1½ oz (about 45g) of dark bitter or bittersweet chocolate, and fold into batter just before pouring into the cake pan.

Hazelnut Chiffon – Replace water with 3 oz (90ml) of a hazelnut-flavored liqueur, mixed with 2 tablespoons of Nutella. Some chopped hazelnuts can also be sprinkled over the batter before it goes into the oven.

Lemon / Lime / Orange Chiffon – Replace water with equal volume of the desired citrus juice. Alternatively, used a lemon or orange flavored liqueur. Fold in 2-3 tablespoons of the grated zest of the fruit.


Postscript
I’m still looking for a knock-me-down, drop-dead gorgeous chiffon cake recipe, so if you have a tried-and-tested one that you do not mind sharing, I would love to hear from you. icon_wink.gif
Thank you!


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Wow, Renee! These look great! I've always wanted to make chiffon cakes but it is impossible to find the tins in the UK :( Amaretto has an unfortunate tendency to lose both scent and flavour when baked (as you found out), but I think that doubling it up would yield fabulous results. I've never tasted Kalhua; I really wish I could taste a slice of your cake....

Posted by: Angela | September 20, 2025 12:07 AM

sigh...i love chiffon cake...

Posted by: toru | September 20, 2025 03:33 AM

Chiffon cakes always remind me of my childhood days as my mum used to bake them all the time. She was once so obsessed with getting a right one, she kept baking them for two days till it was perfect.

Posted by: kylie | September 20, 2025 05:59 AM

Renee

the chiffon cake sure looks good. Now I have cravings for chiffon cake. There goes my diet....again ! hehe

Posted by: ST | September 20, 2025 08:55 AM

What a lovely post - and lovely cakes, to top everything off! I really liked reading your musings about the angel food cake pan vs. chiffon cake pan - it makes for entertaining and funny reading - and then it's educational as well!

Posted by: ZarahMaria | September 20, 2025 05:48 PM

Angela,
I'll remember to save you a slice the next time ; D
yeah, I didn't think amaretto would mellow so much with cooking... and the kahlua was quite the opposite, and intensified a fair bit.
food forever leaves me fascinated : )

I think these chiffons might have spoilt me for the normal pandan ones : (


hey Toru,
how've you been?
no need to pine... : )
chiffons are pretty easy to make : )


hi Kylie,
LOL!
somehow I think chiffon cakes have a way of doing that... I'm still hankering after that "perfect" recipe/cake.
would your mum have a recipe she cares to share with me ; p


hi ST,
they're actually amazingly low fat... much lower fat than a cookie, I've discovered.
that's why I'm now liking them quite a bit... great guilt-free treats I think : )


hi ZarahMaria,
thanks for dropping by... and for the vote of confidence : )
I'm always fascinated by all the differences in food cultures and practices : )
love your truffles by the way... they must have tasted decadently good!

Posted by: Renee | September 20, 2025 10:18 PM

Hi Renee,

I love homemade chiffon cakes too! However, I absolutely love the pandan flavoured ones. This could be due to a lack of availability of pandan - fragranced nonya kuehs and cakes. It is really difficult to find fresh pandan leaves here, and the ones that you can find do not come with roots that you can grow from.

Of course, I would absolutely love to try a slice of your boozy chiffon cake. I love all sorts of foods with alcohol, especially desserts.

Anyway, happy experimenting and good luck with finding your perfect Chiffon Cake recipe!

Posted by: jcheng | September 21, 2025 01:50 AM

Hi Renee! Your question for more information about Angel Food cakes had me calling my mother at work (she's a professional baker) and asking her some questions. I'm in the states, by the way... Oklahoma to be exact. Anyway, she was very familiar with both types of cake and told me that her clientele really enjoy Angel Food cakes because they are lighter, and have fewer calories, since they use less sugar and only the egg whites. According to Mom, the only real difference between Angel Food and Chiffon cakes are the eggs... Angel Food uses white, and Chiffon uses the yolks... she said this went back many, many years because cooks could make two types of cake and could use the same number of eggs. Hope this helps some!

Posted by: Angela | September 21, 2025 05:23 AM

Hi Renee,

I'm definitely not an expert on baking, but from the little that I do know, combined with some online research, here are my conclusions on the whole angel food vs chiffon cake thing:

1) ANGEL FOOD CAKE
-no fat
-no artificial leavening
-solely leavened with stiffly beaten egg whites
-no egg yolks
-relatively small amount flour
-is the sweetest of all sponge cakes (which is why despite the gorgeous texture, I have never been a big fan): it needs all that sugar to stabilize the beaten egg whites, and I'm guessing it also acts as a tenderizer in place of fat

2) CHIFFON
-contains oil (thus remains moist and fresh longer than angel food cake)
-uses baking powder (in addition to whisked egg whites) for leavening
-has egg yolks
-higher flour (and lower sugar) ratio than angel food cake


Just to confuse things further, there is a third category(?) of cake--the sponge cake--that contains fat, but only from egg yolks.

As for the different cake pans, is there *really* a difference between angel food and chiffon? I don't think so. Seems like as long as the pan is tall (usu. about 10 inches) and hollow in the middle, everything works out fine.

Posted by: Rachel | September 21, 2025 09:43 PM

Sorry, I know I babbled on and on long enough already in my previous comment, but I just had to add: it is so strange that just this weekend, before reading your chiffon cake post, I was seriously considering making a chiffon cake to take to a family dinner. But in the end, I didn't have a tube pan (or the guts) to make one. After feasting my eyes on all those torturous close-up shots of your chiffon cakes though (so fluffy looking!), I am determined to give your recipe a try.

Posted by: Rachel | September 21, 2025 09:59 PM

hi jcheng,
I agree... when I was away from Singapore, I too missed all things pandan-flavored... all the kuehs and yes, also the pandan chiffon.
in those days, what I wouldn't do for a slice of freshly made pandan chiffon cake!
but, typical of human nature, nowadays, I don't even want to eat it at all : (

well, if I manage to perfect the recipe, I'll make you some the next time you are home : )


hi Angela,
wow! thanks so much for calling your mom and getting the info for me. appreciate it!
how interesting! that was indeed helpful... thank you!


hey Rachel,
thank you! thank you so much.
wow, great information... just what I was looking for.
and please do not worry about babbling... food "babbling" is always good babbling in my books ; )

oh yes, and of course, the powers that be in the baking world have to confuse things even further by throwing in the genoise (spelling?)...
I think that is an enriched sponge cake with fat (other than egg yolks) isn't it?

I agree... I highly doubt there is a difference in the 2 pans... I think they're identical twins : )

oh, do give the chiffon cake a go if you get the chance, I think you'll enjoy baking it.
I'm in love with all things chiffon at the moment... they're pretty easy to make, lovely to eat... plus, they're low fat! : ) I couldn't ask for more.

Posted by: Renee | September 22, 2025 04:07 AM

Yes, there is the genoise, on top of everything else! I've in fact been debating over whether to make a chiffon or a genoise, and I'm finding myself leaning toward the genoise's corner because the recipe is more friendly toward bakers without electric mixers (just me and my trusty whisk). Have you ever made zabaglione? It is similar in that you whisk eggs and sugar over a double boiler, and the heat actually helps things get all nice and aerated. (A lot more appealing than madly hand-whisking egg whites until your arms--plural because of course you have to keep switching sides--feel like they're about to drop off.)

Another interesting thing about the genoise is that it often uses clarified butter, rather than oil or regular butter. You were wondering why chiffon recipes usually ask for oil, and I think (only guessing) the reason is that when a finished cake cools, butter would solidify and weigh things down; whereas oil would not present this problem. And nor would clarified butter, since the milk(?) solids have been removed.

If you ever try a chiffon again, maybe clarified butter could produce different (and possibly pleasing) results.

Posted by: Rachel | September 22, 2025 05:16 PM

Hi Renee, I've been reading your blog in LJ feed for a while. I love how you spare the effort to document your kitchen experiments in such detail!

BTW, where do you get 75% chocolate from? The Lindt 70% stuff I used to get from Cold Storage doesn't seem to be stocked anywhere at all now.

Posted by: crysta | September 22, 2025 06:58 PM

hi Rachel,
no, I've never made zabaglione before (for some reason, have always been intimidated by the idea of making that one).
oh, I didn't realize the genoise also has to be cooked the same way. that's interesting. thanks for the great info again : )

haha! yep! whisking egg whites by hand is not a good thing in my books too... no matter how many calories I may burn from doing that.
I'm also way to lazy to do that much "hard manual labor" just to make a cake : D

hmmm... that is very interesting - about the clarified butter/oil thing...
and I think there could be some truth in it.
I used melted reduced fat margarine in the first chiffon, and it worked well... and my guess is that this is because these reduced fat margarines have a higher water content, and so I didn't get the problems of oiliness and denseness that I might have had if I had used butter.
hmmm... I think this calls for more "research"... an excuse to bake more chiffon cakes... using butter and clarified butter, just to see the differences.
now, if only I can get hold of some fresh eggs! : (


hi crysta,
nice to hear from you! : )
thanks for the gracious compliment, and am happy to know you enjoy reading what I write : )

oh! isn't Lindt Excellence 75%? or is it 70%? yikes, maybe it's my aging memory that's failing me! (sorry, I don't have any at home at the moment, to check the packaging...)
Lindt Excellence is my standard fall-back, I like using it quite a lot.
I can still find it at most of the Cold Storage outlets I patronize (usually Centrepoint).
another one that I sometimes use is the one by Droste (a Dutch company)... and if I'm not wrong, that is 75%. (I still have a whole hunk of it in the fridge but have thrown the wrapper away already)
I also sometimes use Valrhona, and that is 70%.

ooops, I think I'll have to revert on this one... I keep switching between the different brands of chocolates, and I can never remember which one is which %.
actually, there isn't a vast difference between 70% and 75%, so using the former would be fine too.
sorry for the confusion : (

Posted by: Renee | September 23, 2025 02:44 AM

Lindt Excellence is the perfect size: I love how they come in handy 100 g packs. Haven't seen the 70ish% Droste ones though. *frown* The only Droste I see are the little fun size ones with nuts. Will check them out and see.

I don't normally go to Centrepoint, so might check that out for my Lindt Excellence. Otherwise, will have to get it at Duty Free (!!!). I've also tried using Hershey's unsweetened baking chocolate (best chocolate brownies ever!). It should be more than 70% but I have no idea how to work the proportions with my British recipes.

Gosh I've been rambling for a bit! Sorry!

Posted by: crysta | September 24, 2025 12:00 AM

hi crysta,
Droste dark can be found at Taka food hall.
Lindt Excellence I've seen at CS Centrepoint, CS United Square... it is also available at Tanglin Marketplace, Jason's (both Orchard and Raffles City).
it may also be available at other CS outlets, but I wouldn't be able to say which.

I have to admit I rarely use Hershey's baking chocolate... find it rather rough and less refined in taste... but that's just my personal opinion.

I've once used the dark chocolate by Ritter Sport too (I think it was either 55% or 65%), and that was not too bad... found the taste quite good.

ummm... sorry, don't quite understand the bit about 70% and "working the proportions with British recipes".
oh, I had assumed when you talked about 70% and 75% that you are referring to the cacao solids content of the chocolate... have I misunderstood?
or are you referring to the amount of chocolate in the recipe?

and no worries about rambling... you're not ; )

Posted by: Renee | September 24, 2025 04:48 AM

Ah I meant that I have no idea how to adapt Hershey's baking choc to British recipes since it doesn't give percentages. I'm thinking it may be to the tune of near 100% as the ingredients just list chocolate and cocoa. Hershey's definitely doesn't come close in terms of taste, but for sheer overwhelming chocolatiness it wins hands down. That's why it's best for brownies.

Thanks for your heads up on where to get the Lindt stuff. I tried looking for it at Siglap and Parkway CS. Those branches are probably too small to stock that there I guess. I checked out Cocoa Tree and they've got Droste ones which are only slightly more expensive than Hershey's. Now that I've found good quality chocolate at pretty decent prices again, no way am I going back to Hershey's for chocolate cakes.

Posted by: crysta | September 25, 2025 10:49 AM

hi crysta,
hmmm.... I highly suspect we might possibly be talking at cross-purposes here ; )

I don't have an intimate knowledge of the full intricacies of chocolate, but from the little that I have gleaned...

the cocoa solids % in chocolate is unrelated to the quantity of chocolate to be used in a recipe.
the % merely indicates the amount of cocoa solids (mainly cocoa butter) used to make that chocolate.

the amount of chocolate used in a recipe will remain unchanged regardless of the % of cocoa solids in the chocolate that is used to make the recipe.
i.e. bitter (unsweetened), bittersweet and semi-sweet chocolate (and baking chocolate) are generally interchangeable in recipes.

only milk chocolate is not always a direct, straightforward substitute, as it can change the texture of the final product due to its milk solids content... but if texture is not overly sensitive to improvisation, milk chocolate can oftentimes be used as a substitute too - and the only thing that may need to be adjusted is the sugar amount in the recipe.

I haven't looked at a Hershey's baking chocolate bar in many years, but I highly doubt it has 100% cocoa solids content - it would be pretty much inedible if it did : )
from experience, most baking chocolate if unsweetened has around 50-58% cocoa solids, whilst bittersweet or semi-sweet baking chocolate may have around 15-35%.
good quality dark bitter (unsweetened) chocolate has around 75% cocoa solids.
other 'regular' dark chocolate can have cocoa solids content ranging from 35-70%.

cocoa powder is made from grinding the hardened cocoa liquor leftover after the cocoa butter has been extracted, and usually has around 15-20% cocoa solids content.

anyway, just my 2 cents worth : )
glad you managed to find the Droste chocolate : )
just a thought... maybe you may like to try using the dark chocolate in brownies sometime... truly incredible : )

Posted by: Renee | September 26, 2025 12:18 AM

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