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Wednesday, June 16, 2025

Old I May Be, But Tender and Sweet Am I

It is soup day again today, I’m afraid.

This is another “basic” soup that every family has a version of – old cucumber soup.

Yes, old cucumber. That’s what it is called in Chinese – lao huang gua. And that’s what it is.

homesoups_old_cucumber_1

It is melon-like and large - on average, about 11-12 inches in length with a wide girth of, oh, maybe 5-6 inches. And unlike the green, crispy and crunchy young version, this has a soft gourd-like texture with a subtle sweet flavor.

(Sorry, the skin was already removed by the time it occurred to me to take some pictures. My apologies too for the rather unbecoming tint in the preceding picture as well as in the next 4 photos; I forgot to adjust the white balance setting.)

After the outer skin has been removed, cut the cucumber into wedges, and remove the seeds.

Next, cut the each piece into chunks, ready for cooking.

The other ingredients that are used to flavor and “enrich” the soup are red dates, pearl barley…

And corn…

Two ears of corn; husk removed and cut into halves.


Old Cucumber Soup

• Bring 3 soup bowls-ful of water to a boil, and pop in the old cucumber and corn. Let the liquids return to a boil before reducing the heat to low, and allowing the soup to simmer for about 1 to 1½ hours, or until the old cucumber is meltingly tender.

• About 30-40 minutes before the soup is ready, pour in the barley. [I usually avoid cooking the barley for an extended period of time, as this will produce a slightly “cloudy” soup with a thicker, somewhat “starchy-esque” consistency, reminiscent of a “barley water” drink (for those who are familiar with South East Asian drinks). The picture above actually shows the soup when the barley has been cooked for a long period of time; yes, I decided to put up pictures of how I don’t like to cook the soup! It is still perfectly drinkable and very tasty, but I just tend to prefer the soup to be clear and light in consistency. If you prefer a more viscous soup, add the barley at the beginning, together with the old cucumber and the corn.]

• 20 minutes before the soup is ready to be removed from the stove, add the dried red dates. [As mentioned in the previous post on Carrot Soup, it is best to cook the red dates for a short period of time. With extended cooking, the red dates will render the soup with a sour overtone.]

• Again, I don’t usually add any salt or other seasonings to the soup; preferring instead to simply let the delicate and subtle sweetness of the old cucumber, corn and red dates shine through. However, you may of course choose to season with salt to taste.

Note:
A variant of the soup can be made using chicken breast meat instead of corn to sweeten the soup and to give it body. Simply substitute the two ears of corn with one piece of bone-in, skinless chicken breast.

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On a separate note, I have had several queries about the kind of pot I use to cook soups in. So, here it is…

This is what I use. It is a multi-layer insulated stainless steel thermal pot. However, most of the time, I no longer use the thermal plate which comes with the pot. I prefer to simply keep the pot on the electric element (it cannot be used on a gas flame) throughout the soup’s cooking process. And because of the way the pot is built (sorry, I don’t know the technical details), this speeds up the cooking time somewhat.

I understand that there is now a whole new generation of thermal pots on the market (my pot is 15 years old!), and these are great for cooking soups too – producing very flavorful results with nicely tender ingredients.

However, while a thermal pot is highly convenient in that you don’t have to stick around to watch the pot (literally speaking), any type of pot or saucepan with a lid can be used to cook soups. The only difference would perhaps be that some adjustments need to be made to the cooking times that I have stated in the recipes. So, fret not for a thermal pot if you are without. Soups cook well in just about anything!

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Old cucumber soup… a wonderfully refreshing and nourishing soup. Old cucumber is said to be great for cooling and detoxifying the body’s system; barley is another natural cleansing and detoxifying ingredient; and red dates are said by the Chinese to be able to help build the blood and fortify the immune system.

Old cucumber soup… soup for both body and soul.


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funny that last night i thought of making some soup with red dates and barley some time this week ... just like the last time i kept thinking about sweet potatoes (to be precise, how to tell the orange-flesh from the yellow-flesh from external appearance), and then a few days later, you put up something on sweet potatoes!

Posted by: longcloud | June 16, 2025 07:21 PM

very comprehensive renee. i'd heard of using cucumber in soups before but i just couldn't imagine that it tasted good. This however looks quite tasty; does one reach in with one's bare hands and pull out the corn cob and start gnawing at it soup juices flowing at the table?

Posted by: daphne | June 16, 2025 10:21 PM

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Posted by: toru/kitchenslave | June 17, 2025 03:29 AM

I agree with Daphne--what does one do with the corn cob? :):):) This was such an interesting recipe. I am used to using cucumber in cold vegetable soups. In fact, I don't think I have ever tasted cucumber in a hot soup, so I'm looking forward to making your recipe.

Sher

Posted by: sher | June 17, 2025 02:47 PM

hi longcloud,
nice little spot of resonance there : )
food loving minds think alike, maybe... ; )

hi toru,
great looking crab! glad to see you're back posting about your cooking... : )
I also have a very delicious chilli crab recipe which I haven't made in a long time... after seeing your crab, I think it's time for a revisit.
it's based on Long Beach's chilli crab dish, and people who have tasted it tell me it's pretty authentic ; )
I use it for crayfish and prawns too... very delish! : )
oh, the link is here, if you are interested...
http://www.shiokadelicious.com/shiokadelicious/2004/01/finger_lickin_g.html

Posted by: Renee | June 17, 2025 06:16 PM

hi daphne,
oh yes! that's the best and most enjoyable way to eat the corn! and that's how we do it all the time : D
and it's even better when the corn is young and so sweetly juicy and tender!

hi sher,
oh, I've never tried using these old cucumbers in cold soups before... I guess it never occurred to me to serve Chinese savory soups cold : )
somehow because these old cucumbers are more like melons than they are like the regular cucumbers, they always struck me as being better in hot soups...
have you made them in cold soups before? how do they taste?
the regular green crispy cucumbers are great in cold Western style soups though, aren't they?

can you get these old cucumbers easily in supermarkets outside Asia? or do you have to go to an Asian grocer?

Posted by: Renee | June 17, 2025 06:18 PM

Hi Renee and Daphne,

I just wanted to let you know that I have had trouble finding Old Cucumber at all the Asian supermarkets in Southern California, that I have given up! Upon further discussion with my friend from Hong Kong, she claims that she has not heard of old cucumber soup, and she should know, because she is a very good cook. Interesting, isn't it?

As such, Old Cucumber Soup is something that I can only savour whenever I am back in Singapore. Hope that helps.

Posted by: jcheng | June 17, 2025 11:13 PM

hey jcheng!
so nice to hear from you again... how have you been?

that's very interesting... I've always assumed old cucumber soup was part of the Cantonese tradition, except unlike us they double boil theirs... (but then again I know very little about Cantonese food traditions, so I could be wrong).
although I once had a very nice version of old cucumber soup in a Cantonese restaurant in HK; they used the whole melon, but scooped out the seeds, and filled the insides with chicken (or was it squab, can't remember now), some Chinese herbs and superior broth (shiong tong)... they steamed and then double boiled it (actually not sure which step came first)... but it was very nice! : )

Posted by: Renee | June 18, 2025 03:01 AM

Completed, the old cucumber soup resembles the long simmered "fuzzy melon soup" or the "winter melon soup" my mom makes.

I've lived in San Francisco all my life and have never seen old cucumbers in the Chinatown markets. But I'll try your soup with a fuzzy or winter melon!

Posted by: cyndy | June 18, 2025 09:25 AM

hi cyndy,
we actually cook winter melon soup in a very similar way to the old cucumber soup too... and I love both : )
heh. I never even knew the winter melon was also known as "fuzzy" melon. : )

Posted by: Renee | June 18, 2025 10:34 PM

Renee,

Yes, I use the crisp cucumbers in my Western syle cold soups and I doubt they would work in your recipe. I inquired about the availability of old cucumbers at two Asian markets that I frequent, and was told they don't carry them and could not remember seeing them anywhere in this area. However, one of the clerks said that her grandfather used to grow them in his little garden in Stockton, California.

Sher

Posted by: sher | June 19, 2025 03:59 AM

hi Sher,
strange that these old cucumbers don't seem to be imported into the US... maybe they don't travel or store well.

Posted by: Renee | June 19, 2025 04:49 PM

Renee, are the old cucumbers like old zucchini / courgettes? called marrows in Britain. They look the same, at least the inside does. People who grow zucchini have lots left over.
Margaret

Posted by: MM | June 19, 2025 07:08 PM

Hi Renee,

I'm just about caught up on my blog reading. LOL! I've never had old cucumber in soup, so when I went to Chinatown to inquire, I was told they didn't have it. The soup looks delicious though...very light and refreshing. Most times I like a hearty soup when it's going to be for a meal...does one serve this type of soup as an appetizer?

Posted by: Reid | June 20, 2025 08:03 PM

hi MM,
um... I'm not sure...
I'm not overly familiar with marrows... are they the same size as zucchinis but yellow? am I thinking of the right ones?
these old cucumbers are not the regular green cucumbers that have been left to "age"... but I think they are grown for a longer time (?) on the plant itself... because they are usually on average about 7-8 times the size of a regular green cucumber.
actually, as I'm typing this, it has just occurred to me that they could actually be an Asian specie/varietal under the cucumber family... and are not really "old cucumbers" as such, but are only called such, if you know what I mean...
it would seem from what everyone else has written in the other comments that it only exists in Asia, and not at all in US or Europe.
this is very interesting... I'll have to go find out more... sorry I can't give you a better answer at the moment.


hi Reid,
yeah, it seems this old cucumber is only available in Asia... not sure why tho'.
it is a very light and refreshing soup... traditionally a Chinese summer soup, for cooling the body system down.
in restaurants it would be served as a "palate-opener", yes... but usually at home it is served, as with all other types of soup, together with all the other dishes and we just sip from it throughout the meal.

Posted by: Renee | June 21, 2025 03:32 AM

No, they're dark green, exactly like zucchinis, but if you leave them on the plant they get ten times the size. But they are also grown deliberately, only I'm not sure why. Your photo didn't show the outside! They look exactly the same but no-one knows what to do with them. I heard that you shouldn't leave your car unlocked in autumn or someone will fill the back seat with these marrows and run away. I tried the soup with one, but I couldn't get the red dates. It did have a good sweet flavour, but your vegetable is probably stronger. I can't photograph the marrow either because I ate it.
http://seeds.thompson-morgan.com/uk/product/632/1
This wouldn't have the stripe if it was an overgrown zucchini, though.

Posted by: MM | June 25, 2025 07:22 AM

hi MM,
hmm... I think our old cucumber is rather different from the marrow you mentioned.
I've taken a picture of the old cucumber (with skin on), because we cooked it again recently...
will post it up sometime next week...
: )

Posted by: Renee | June 25, 2025 07:21 PM

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